Shep left a few comments on different posts and i will adress some of them now. This is part of his comment on 1 post
"Yes, I do dislike losing. the same as any other competitive player on here does. I am sure Perrin and Wordie hate losing, especially to someone they consider a 'lesser' player (and theres plenty of them in their cases). " (OldShep)
As for me and i speak only for me here , I truly do not mind losing to what you call a lesser player. I find that in most cases it ramps up their confidence, usually (hopefully) they are thinking Hey!! i beat this s.ob. once i can do it again. That makes it a more competitive game and a better experience for both of us. However i do hate like hell to lose to players that are my equal or better skillwise such as Wordman ,Dorcas etc and there are quite a few in the etc category. Thats just my competitive nature kicking in. Ok Moving on......
Here another comment this time in full
I am quite disappointed, Perrin!!You never added to this post that, in fact, I was right.. as relayed to you by a HTD from our League.You forget that Cases and Myleague have different rules ( as Wordie found out ....... the 2 boot rule actually applies in FSW, not MyLeague, I believe)You have carefully edited that log off the chat, I notice. You told me I need a TD guide but I didn't need to because I still have one and rule No1 is NO dupes!!Obviously my beef wasn't with you that evening which I did explain to you. It was with a TD who was being too lazy to sort the 'blue' out which would have taken her 5 seconds.I must say, you have a vast array of insults which is hardly surprising considering your vocabulary. I don't recall ever being rude to you whether it is during a game or in the lobby. I think the only one I object to is being called a bully ........ because that is false. Arrogant?? Yep!! Miserable??? YEP!!! Asshole?? I can be!!Oh well, at least I won't be the only arrogant asshole (your words) in FSW now :o))Regards the 'cheap win' I got against you.. I would gladly swap that for a legitimate win over you ..... same as I would against Wordman or Natssss. I rarely take 'foul' wins. Despite being a miserable, arrogant asshole etc etc, ask around!! I have given resets 90% of the time people have fouled against me
I hate to disagree with you Shep but i think you had a beef about playing me that evening admit it or not. Otherwise why would you not go ahead and play me and take up the situation later with a td manager or ladder op instead of letting me take the moral high road by giving you a free win? Instead you bullied the td . How you ask ? You knew it was too late for her to change the pairs yet you caused a scene in the lobby , refused to play the match and threatened to report her if she posted the win to me. I hope you felt good about it.
Now for the last bit "By the way, as an aside to your little remark about thumping my fat head ........ I didn't get to do CP work with the Dubai Royal Family for 3 years by not being able to look after myself :o)))) " Great !! If i ever meet you i wont feel bad about thumping you ;-)
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The rule Shep refers to ("rule #1 is no dupes) is not in the TD Guide but is found on the tourney admin pages (the ones used by a TD to run a Swiss tourney).
Below I have quoted from the MyLeague TD Guide found under link in TD tools where the rules are elaborated and explained further. Scroll down to the part about rules for swapping players for the relevant section.
As you can see, "no dupes" is rule #3 but it also says in some Swiss tourneys dupes may be "unavoidable."
If you apply the rest of the rules, which are intended to produce a true winner as nearly as possible - by pairing people and assigning byes in the most fair way possible (according to their win-loss records and/or ratings), then you will sometimes have to have dupes.
Insisting that the most important rule is "no dupes" is to ignore the intent of the REST of the rules, and will lead to unfair tourney results in many cases.
I have not seen the pairings for the tourney at issue in the Shep/Kes incident, so I have no idea whether the result was fair or unfair.
However, I have seen plenty of other tourneys where the TDs did not understand how to run a Swiss tourney fairly - according to the TD Guide rules - because the most important rule in their head was the one on the tourney page that says, "Players should NEVER play the same person twice."
I've quoted the TD Guide for your convenience, but everyone reading this who is a TD can go look it up and see for themselves. I don't think I've misinterpreted its intent. When I am running a tourney I follow these rules and assign dupes if I believe it is necessary.
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Administration of Swiss System - from MyLeague TD Guide found under link in TD tools
Adjust Match
This is identical to the Adjust Match found in administration of single-elimination tournaments. The biggest difference is that the rounds will not advance themselves; the TD must do this manually as follows:
After all the matches for a round have been reported, a link to advance to the next round will appear. Before you click to advance, verify the following:
1. All match reports are correct – there is no going back
2. Any player that wants to withdraw has been removed.
After you click the link to advance, on the right of your screen you'll see a table listing each player/team's Past Matches. On the left you'll see the Possible Pairings for the next round. If you don't see any pairings highlighted with a bright blue background, simply scroll down to the bottom of the page and click ACCEPT CURRENT PAIRINGS. You will then see a confirmation message that the pairings for the next round are up. However, if any of the pairings are highlighted with a blue background you must swap those players using the following rules:
#1 NEVER change the top 2 teams (players) - Undefeated players need to play other undefeated players so that the tournament eventually comes to an end.
#2 Players should be swapped with other players having the same number of points (points are indicated in parenthesis next to each player's name).
#3 Players should never play the same person twice (this may be unavoidable in True Swiss depending on the number of rounds, but do your best to avoid it)
#4 The lowest number of points/lowest skill rating will get the bye. Players should only receive one bye. Therefore, if a player is about to receive his/her second bye, this player should be swapped. The next player in line to receive the bye should be the player with the lowest number of points and the lowest rating (in that order).
#5 Pairings should NEVER be decided by players asking to play certain other players or by players asking for a bye. Manipulating the pairings and not following the above rules is ground for removal of your Swiss System approval.
Whenever a player is forced to play another person who has a different number of points than them, that player is said to have been "floated". For example, assume player A has 1 point and player B has 0 points. If they play each other, then it is said that player A was floated downward and player B was floated upwards. This should be taken into consideration whenever possible. A player floating upwards has had more difficult pairings, and therefore should not be floated upwards again if at all possible. The player being floated downwards is considered to have had an easier pairing and should not be floated downward again if at all possible.
Once you determine who will be swapped, choose each of their names in the pull-down lists and click swap players. Review the Possible Pairings again. Repeat this step until you have no BLUE, then scroll to the bottom of the page and click Accept Current Pairings. The remaining administration steps are identical to administering a Single-Elimination tournament.
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