Ok after the stuff thats gone on the past few days i promised that im going to go in a different direction. I will still post front page stuff for anyone and anonymous comments are allowed once again within reason.
Lets take a look at the leagues and ladders i play on. First oput of the gate is http://www.myleague.com/wordsteal/ which i created am the head admin for and play at the site www.myleague.com/wordsteal in the ladder roo0m when its up. Our current #1 is me and we have a very active group for the most part. Right now our site is down so some of us are meeting at hoyle.
At hoyle we play in the comp room which is owned by one of my favorite leagues http://www.myleague.com/_synergy/ Some of the best players in the world have and do play in the synergy league, the current #1 is DorcasA and many thanks to her and the synergy team for allowing us to play there. Synergy usually has a couple of nightowl tourneys daily and you can find laddergames there too.
The next place i play at is a cases ladder http://www.igl.net/fswordox/ which runs in the cases ladder room at hoyle. The current # 1 there is me ;-). They host a lot of variety style tourneys and they usually run in the afternoons est time.
Moving on another league im on is http://www.myleague.com/extremeox/ runs in soc room 2 at hoyle . They usually have tourneys at 8 9 and 10 pm est with impromtu tourns here and there . The current #1 is the always tough DrKate and you can usually find laddergames there too.
Ok last but not least is http://www.myleague.com/interleague/ hosted in various rooms at hoyle its a partnership between several leagues. The head admin is themummykins and the current #1 is me again and you can find tourneys with them every saturday.
Ok thats the rundown on where i play if anyone has any questions or comments email me or post them here cya at the tables!
Wednesday, December 12, 2007
Monday, December 10, 2007
Wordmans Post
Before i post this let me say that no more anonymous comments will be allowed on this subject unless they are emailed to me. Duncs has made it clear that she considers the matter finished but i told Richard he would have a chance to present his side of the situation and i let her know that too. Hindsight is always 20/20 and i wish i had tried to help both Richard and Shirley as a go -between and resolve this situation peacefully but i didnt . Not that i could have helped but it would have been worth a try.Such is life and i apologize to all involved. On to Wordmans comments
From Wordman
I'll let everyone know what happened in EXOX the other night that resulted in my being put in the penalty box for 90 days. I was playing Duncsmama in a tourney and she got booted twice during our game. I mistakenly thought that two boots are all a player gets before they have to forfeit (which I said to Roseva) so I left the table. Roseva, who was the TD informed me that a player gets three boots and told me I shouldn't have left the table so soon. O.K. My bad. She could have told me I lost the game since I left table prematurely. But she didn't. All she said was for me to replay the game against Duncsmama. I went to the table and reset, assuming that Duncs would come replay the game. When Duncs got back into the room Roseva said to please replay the game. Duncs announced that she was having computer problems, had booted twice and would probably get booted again so it was ok. Still at the table waiting for her, I said, "Come on, we can still play." Duncs said "I already reported the loss, Wordman." End of story. Or so I thought. Two days later I tried to register for another EXOX tourney and saw a message that I'd been put in the penalty box for 90 days for unsportsmanlike conduct. I thought it was a joke. Apparently it wasn't. Duncsmama sent me an e-mail
saying that I should have waited for her to get back-- that everyone has ten minutes to return after being booted and I didn't wait ten minutes. That's true, I didn't wait ten minutes for her to get back cuz she'd booted twice and I THOUGHT that's all a player gets. So, it wasn't so much a time infraction as it was a boot rule infraction. So why didn't Roseva just award the win to Duncs? Instead Roseva asked me to REPLAY THE GAME, which I attempted to do, but Duncs reported the loss so fast there was no chance of a replay. And then Roseva said "Congratulations on winning the tournament, Wordman." Two days later, having received no notification that I was going to be put in the penalty box and no opportunity to defend my actions or offer an explanation, I saw that I was boxed for 90 DAYS. Duncsmama and Roseva claimed that I "tried to make my own rules." Like I said, all Roseva had to do was tell me I forfeited the game because I left table too soon. But she told me to replay the game. So I didn't realize what I did was such a major crime. I was told later that Duncs stayed out of it left it up to Roseva and Roguish to decide what my "punishment" should be. First of all, Duncs is head administrator of EXOX. Shouldn't she have a major say in issues like this? Especially since she was the one playing me at the time. Instead, she "stayed out of it" and let Roseva and Roguish determine my penalty. And Roguish wasn't even in the room at the time, so why should he have any more say about it than Duncs? Below is a verbatim e-mail that Roseva sent to me. Read it and keep in mind that she's an administrator of a word game league:
FIRST OF ALL RICHARD I'M THE ONE WHO BOXED YOU. DUNCAN LEFTED THE DECISION UP TO ME AND ROG.
YOU WERE BOXED FOR YOUR ACTIONS ON TUESDAY NITE, I ASK YOU TO SET TIME AT :40. YOU ASKED ABOUT THE 2 BOOT RULE, I TOLD YOU RULE WAS 3 BOOTS, YOU SAID 2 AND LEFTED THE TABLE. I SAID THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT.
YOU WERE TOTALY DISRESPECTFUL OF ME AS A TD, THE RULES STATE 3 BOOTS, AND IT ALSO TD HAS FINAL SAY IN ALL MATTERS.
I WOULD HAVE BOXED ANY PLAYER THAT ACTED THE WAY YOU DID.
Even if I were "disrespectful" to Roseva (which I don't think I was). . . she just took the situation too personally. I admit I made a mistake and left the table too soon. So that deserves 90 DAYS in the penalty box? Besides, Roseva did ask me to replay the game, which I was ready and willing to do. But Duncs went ahead and reported the loss and declined to replay, which was HER CHOICE. 90 days seems like overkill, especially when I've seen other players act much more rudely to TD's for which they got no penalty at all.
As for the cowardly little assholes who like to make derogatory comments but don't have the decency or the courage to sign their names, you're missing the point. Just like the idiot who said to Perrin, "you think you and wordman are immune to the rules." No, I don't think I'm immune to the rules. I just think that in this case the punishment doesn't fit the 'crime.' One week in the box or even two is understandable. But 90 DAYS? As for you scum who sign your posts 'anonymous' you're so pathetic -- why risk making yourself known when you can keep hiding behind anonymity, right?
From Wordman
I'll let everyone know what happened in EXOX the other night that resulted in my being put in the penalty box for 90 days. I was playing Duncsmama in a tourney and she got booted twice during our game. I mistakenly thought that two boots are all a player gets before they have to forfeit (which I said to Roseva) so I left the table. Roseva, who was the TD informed me that a player gets three boots and told me I shouldn't have left the table so soon. O.K. My bad. She could have told me I lost the game since I left table prematurely. But she didn't. All she said was for me to replay the game against Duncsmama. I went to the table and reset, assuming that Duncs would come replay the game. When Duncs got back into the room Roseva said to please replay the game. Duncs announced that she was having computer problems, had booted twice and would probably get booted again so it was ok. Still at the table waiting for her, I said, "Come on, we can still play." Duncs said "I already reported the loss, Wordman." End of story. Or so I thought. Two days later I tried to register for another EXOX tourney and saw a message that I'd been put in the penalty box for 90 days for unsportsmanlike conduct. I thought it was a joke. Apparently it wasn't. Duncsmama sent me an e-mail
saying that I should have waited for her to get back-- that everyone has ten minutes to return after being booted and I didn't wait ten minutes. That's true, I didn't wait ten minutes for her to get back cuz she'd booted twice and I THOUGHT that's all a player gets. So, it wasn't so much a time infraction as it was a boot rule infraction. So why didn't Roseva just award the win to Duncs? Instead Roseva asked me to REPLAY THE GAME, which I attempted to do, but Duncs reported the loss so fast there was no chance of a replay. And then Roseva said "Congratulations on winning the tournament, Wordman." Two days later, having received no notification that I was going to be put in the penalty box and no opportunity to defend my actions or offer an explanation, I saw that I was boxed for 90 DAYS. Duncsmama and Roseva claimed that I "tried to make my own rules." Like I said, all Roseva had to do was tell me I forfeited the game because I left table too soon. But she told me to replay the game. So I didn't realize what I did was such a major crime. I was told later that Duncs stayed out of it left it up to Roseva and Roguish to decide what my "punishment" should be. First of all, Duncs is head administrator of EXOX. Shouldn't she have a major say in issues like this? Especially since she was the one playing me at the time. Instead, she "stayed out of it" and let Roseva and Roguish determine my penalty. And Roguish wasn't even in the room at the time, so why should he have any more say about it than Duncs? Below is a verbatim e-mail that Roseva sent to me. Read it and keep in mind that she's an administrator of a word game league:
FIRST OF ALL RICHARD I'M THE ONE WHO BOXED YOU. DUNCAN LEFTED THE DECISION UP TO ME AND ROG.
YOU WERE BOXED FOR YOUR ACTIONS ON TUESDAY NITE, I ASK YOU TO SET TIME AT :40. YOU ASKED ABOUT THE 2 BOOT RULE, I TOLD YOU RULE WAS 3 BOOTS, YOU SAID 2 AND LEFTED THE TABLE. I SAID THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT.
YOU WERE TOTALY DISRESPECTFUL OF ME AS A TD, THE RULES STATE 3 BOOTS, AND IT ALSO TD HAS FINAL SAY IN ALL MATTERS.
I WOULD HAVE BOXED ANY PLAYER THAT ACTED THE WAY YOU DID.
Even if I were "disrespectful" to Roseva (which I don't think I was). . . she just took the situation too personally. I admit I made a mistake and left the table too soon. So that deserves 90 DAYS in the penalty box? Besides, Roseva did ask me to replay the game, which I was ready and willing to do. But Duncs went ahead and reported the loss and declined to replay, which was HER CHOICE. 90 days seems like overkill, especially when I've seen other players act much more rudely to TD's for which they got no penalty at all.
As for the cowardly little assholes who like to make derogatory comments but don't have the decency or the courage to sign their names, you're missing the point. Just like the idiot who said to Perrin, "you think you and wordman are immune to the rules." No, I don't think I'm immune to the rules. I just think that in this case the punishment doesn't fit the 'crime.' One week in the box or even two is understandable. But 90 DAYS? As for you scum who sign your posts 'anonymous' you're so pathetic -- why risk making yourself known when you can keep hiding behind anonymity, right?
To the wordox community from duncansmama
To the wordox community:
Just after Exox banned Shadow, I personally apologized to Shadow for the way we handled things. I did fret over how to make things right and I never came up with a good solution. I guess I had hoped things would just get better with time. I see now that I should have offered up a very PUBLIC apology and made it very clear that Shadow was more than welcome to join Exox and I should have done it immediately. I'm sorry I did not and all I can do to rectify that now is to say it now. Shadow, please except my humblest apology for the injustice that Exox did to you. Please know that you are more than welcome to play in Exox
Well Said Duncs!!
Just after Exox banned Shadow, I personally apologized to Shadow for the way we handled things. I did fret over how to make things right and I never came up with a good solution. I guess I had hoped things would just get better with time. I see now that I should have offered up a very PUBLIC apology and made it very clear that Shadow was more than welcome to join Exox and I should have done it immediately. I'm sorry I did not and all I can do to rectify that now is to say it now. Shadow, please except my humblest apology for the injustice that Exox did to you. Please know that you are more than welcome to play in Exox
Well Said Duncs!!
Sunday, December 09, 2007
The Balls Bomb
I dont mind anonymous posts for the most part. However being that i am the owner of the blog if you want to run me down or call me names have the Balls to sign your comments otherwise i will remove them. Thats the good thing about owning the blog , I make the rules to suit me, not ANYONE else. Dont like that? Go write about it somewhere else.
An anonymous post
This person asked to remain anonymous . So be it.
If people will tell the truth Wordman is a major pain to the tds when they are trying to host he constantly pms them trying to tell them how to do their job which if he knows so much why isnt he a td? When he isnt trying to tell them thjeir job he has something bad to say about everyone and he will pm anyone and everyone to tell them . he deserves what he got. To bad they didnt ban him.
If people will tell the truth Wordman is a major pain to the tds when they are trying to host he constantly pms them trying to tell them how to do their job which if he knows so much why isnt he a td? When he isnt trying to tell them thjeir job he has something bad to say about everyone and he will pm anyone and everyone to tell them . he deserves what he got. To bad they didnt ban him.
From Duncs
First before i post this.... i was wrong in one thing before i began posting on this situation. I do apologize to duncansmama for not getting her side of the situation before i posted . I was wrong in that however i felt about the penalty. Not that i wouldnt have still posted but i do apologize to Duncs . An admin puts up with a lot of crap and without getting her side i added even more. Sorry Duncs This is all i have to add to this situation if anyone else has something to say be quick about it!
Ok now for her post
I am writing in response to all the blogs and what happened to Wordman. . This matter is over with and the boxing stands. He broke the rules and basically was unapologetic about it. The penalty stands. No one is above the rules of Cases or Extreme.
I stand by my administrators and tourney directors.
I appreciate the fact that Jeff let me post this.
Shirley(Duncansmama)
HA extremeox
Ok now for her post
I am writing in response to all the blogs and what happened to Wordman. . This matter is over with and the boxing stands. He broke the rules and basically was unapologetic about it. The penalty stands. No one is above the rules of Cases or Extreme.
I stand by my administrators and tourney directors.
I appreciate the fact that Jeff let me post this.
Shirley(Duncansmama)
HA extremeox
From Bluberry
Bluberry asked me to post this on the blog page. I have no problem with that but i will respond to 1 comment she made . I will put that at the end of her post.
From Bluberry
I'm not going to get bogged down in details arguing with you about this last issue with Wordman, Jeff. I've already said how I feel. What I do want to address is your remark about seeing players hounded out of the league. First of all the deal was Shadow was a huge mistake and the current HA still grieves over that. That mistake was made because of someone's (guess who!) pm's accusing Shad of being a cheat. Duncs was new to her position, shouldn't have listened to the trouble causer and regrets the whole mess and the way it came down. She will not make that mistake again. She would do anything to take it back. I know this for a fact. Second, Mini's trouble was not with the current administration. It was with Ayla and it started when you gave Ayla the league instead of giving it to Mini. There was no appeasing Mini and I know because she got pissed off at me and nothing I tried could make things better.
For you to say you feel ashamed that a league you created boots and boxes... etc. Let me remind you that you bailed when this league was dying. Ayla brought it back to life by working her butt off. She didn't get along with everyone, but do you, Jeff? Do I? Does anyone? When Ayla could no longer put the time and energy to EXOX because of a series of personal catastrophes, Duncs stepped in and took over a job she really had no intention of keeping. In my opinion, she has done a great job. There is no petty arguing in EXOX. We treat each other with respect.
Now I'm going to go out on a limb and really piss some people off. It seems to me that Wordman and Mini aren't happy unless they are unhappy. They manage to make waves everywhere they go. Anyone who has been around any length of time or paid any attention, you included, knows that. Doesn't mean we don't like them. Doesn't mean we don't want them around. Just means some of us have their number.
Sorry to all who have taken offense to what I say here, but like Jeff, this is my opinion and he has been gracious enough to let me post it. So thanks, Jeff, and Happy New Year too.
The only thing i have to say is in my own defense. When i gave Ayla the league it was doing well. It was mired in controversy but it was still gaining members and hosting tourneys. I gave Ayla the league because of personal issues with my family and work that have since been resolved. I also gave it to her with the understanding that if she wanted to quit she would pass it back to me. I know what happened there no matter what she wants to say. But thats water under the bridge. The only reason i posted anything at all about this situation is because i am a member of extremeox still, until im booted or i leave, and im concerned about the fairness of 90 days for a first offense and no hearing or anything. Right or wrong to be concerned ? Maybe but i still am concerned. I have sent players to extreme from my league and i would hate to see the same thing happen to one of them.
Happy Holidays to you too Blu!!
From Bluberry
I'm not going to get bogged down in details arguing with you about this last issue with Wordman, Jeff. I've already said how I feel. What I do want to address is your remark about seeing players hounded out of the league. First of all the deal was Shadow was a huge mistake and the current HA still grieves over that. That mistake was made because of someone's (guess who!) pm's accusing Shad of being a cheat. Duncs was new to her position, shouldn't have listened to the trouble causer and regrets the whole mess and the way it came down. She will not make that mistake again. She would do anything to take it back. I know this for a fact. Second, Mini's trouble was not with the current administration. It was with Ayla and it started when you gave Ayla the league instead of giving it to Mini. There was no appeasing Mini and I know because she got pissed off at me and nothing I tried could make things better.
For you to say you feel ashamed that a league you created boots and boxes... etc. Let me remind you that you bailed when this league was dying. Ayla brought it back to life by working her butt off. She didn't get along with everyone, but do you, Jeff? Do I? Does anyone? When Ayla could no longer put the time and energy to EXOX because of a series of personal catastrophes, Duncs stepped in and took over a job she really had no intention of keeping. In my opinion, she has done a great job. There is no petty arguing in EXOX. We treat each other with respect.
Now I'm going to go out on a limb and really piss some people off. It seems to me that Wordman and Mini aren't happy unless they are unhappy. They manage to make waves everywhere they go. Anyone who has been around any length of time or paid any attention, you included, knows that. Doesn't mean we don't like them. Doesn't mean we don't want them around. Just means some of us have their number.
Sorry to all who have taken offense to what I say here, but like Jeff, this is my opinion and he has been gracious enough to let me post it. So thanks, Jeff, and Happy New Year too.
The only thing i have to say is in my own defense. When i gave Ayla the league it was doing well. It was mired in controversy but it was still gaining members and hosting tourneys. I gave Ayla the league because of personal issues with my family and work that have since been resolved. I also gave it to her with the understanding that if she wanted to quit she would pass it back to me. I know what happened there no matter what she wants to say. But thats water under the bridge. The only reason i posted anything at all about this situation is because i am a member of extremeox still, until im booted or i leave, and im concerned about the fairness of 90 days for a first offense and no hearing or anything. Right or wrong to be concerned ? Maybe but i still am concerned. I have sent players to extreme from my league and i would hate to see the same thing happen to one of them.
Happy Holidays to you too Blu!!
Comment
In response to Bluberry thanks Blu im glad you decided to speak out. The purpose of this blog is not only a forum for my views but its also a soapbox for any player td admin or non league player that wants to say something. I will post almost anything for anyone who wants to email it and i do allow comments anonymous or signed in that section.
Whether you like or dislike Richard and whether or not he plays at Exox much my opinion is that he should have been given a hearing and the chance to apologize. As i have said before i know my opinion carries absolutely no weight with the current exox administration but give it i will. I have seen players hounded out of that league since i left as admin and altho i have no say in how its run i do feel ashamed that a league i created (cant change that fact no matter what!!!) boots and boxes players without giving them a chance to apologize or get a hearing. If anyone wants to know what i mean ask Shadow or MiniFrump , they can damn sure clue you in.
Now in conclusion , if the wiews expressed here offend anyone GOOD!! If you agree with them GOOD!!! You are all welcome to speak out in the comments section or you can email me if you want a front page post. I think all the players should have a voice , here is your chance.
Whether you like or dislike Richard and whether or not he plays at Exox much my opinion is that he should have been given a hearing and the chance to apologize. As i have said before i know my opinion carries absolutely no weight with the current exox administration but give it i will. I have seen players hounded out of that league since i left as admin and altho i have no say in how its run i do feel ashamed that a league i created (cant change that fact no matter what!!!) boots and boxes players without giving them a chance to apologize or get a hearing. If anyone wants to know what i mean ask Shadow or MiniFrump , they can damn sure clue you in.
Now in conclusion , if the wiews expressed here offend anyone GOOD!! If you agree with them GOOD!!! You are all welcome to speak out in the comments section or you can email me if you want a front page post. I think all the players should have a voice , here is your chance.
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